WEBVTT NOTE This file was exported by MacCaption version 7.0.11 to comply with the WebVTT specification dated March 23, 2013. 00:00:00.667 --> 00:00:02.936 align:start line:79% position:44% size:78% male announcer: The following program is sponsored by friends 00:00:02.936 --> 00:00:05.939 align:start line:85% position:44% size:78% of Life Outreach International. 00:00:06.773 --> 00:00:10.477 align:start line:63% position:50% size:75% announcer: What kind of lies do you believe about yourself? 00:00:10.477 --> 00:00:12.946 align:start line:63% position:50% size:75% Jennie Allen: What will happen is from a very young age, the 00:00:12.946 --> 00:00:15.215 align:start line:63% position:50% size:45% enemy will plant a lie in our minds. 00:00:15.215 --> 00:00:17.551 align:start line:63% position:50% size:75% For some of us it's five years old, ten years old, eight 00:00:17.551 --> 00:00:18.886 align:start line:69% position:50% size:25% years old. 00:00:18.886 --> 00:00:20.854 align:start line:63% position:50% size:75% For me it was 12 years old, where my dad and I were having 00:00:20.854 --> 00:00:22.222 align:start line:69% position:47% size:63% an innocent conversation. 00:00:22.222 --> 00:00:23.557 align:start line:69% position:46% size:68% He would never remember it. 00:00:23.557 --> 00:00:26.426 align:start line:63% position:50% size:75% And I heard in that moment, "You need to hit these marks." 00:00:26.426 --> 00:00:30.764 align:start line:63% position:50% size:81% And at that point, life became a series of trying to hit marks to 00:00:30.764 --> 00:00:32.099 align:start line:69% position:50% size:31% be accepted. 00:00:32.099 --> 00:00:35.435 align:start line:63% position:45% size:73% announcer: "The Lie You Don't Know You Believe," next. 00:00:35.435 --> 00:00:45.445 align:start line:85% position:48% size:18% [music] 00:00:45.445 --> 00:00:53.620 align:start line:85% position:48% size:18% [music] 00:00:53.620 --> 00:00:54.988 align:start line:63% position:50% size:56% Randy Robison: Welcome to "Life Today." 00:00:54.988 --> 00:00:56.323 align:start line:69% position:50% size:45% I'm Randy Robison. 00:00:56.323 --> 00:00:57.691 align:start line:69% position:50% size:65% I'm glad to have you here. 00:00:57.691 --> 00:00:59.026 align:start line:63% position:47% size:58% I'm glad to have Blynda Lane here with me. 00:00:59.026 --> 00:01:00.394 align:start line:69% position:50% size:61% Are you glad to be here? 00:01:00.394 --> 00:01:01.995 align:start line:63% position:45% size:73% Blynda Lane: I'm really happy to be here because I love our 00:01:01.995 --> 00:01:03.330 align:start line:69% position:50% size:31% guest today. 00:01:03.330 --> 00:01:04.932 align:start line:63% position:50% size:81% Randy: Yeah, you know, and that's why she--we love when she 00:01:04.932 --> 00:01:07.467 align:start line:63% position:50% size:81% comes here, because she's been on many times, and every time we 00:01:07.467 --> 00:01:09.670 align:start line:63% position:48% size:48% hear great feedback from our audience. 00:01:09.670 --> 00:01:12.272 align:start line:63% position:44% size:78% Not just like, you know, fluff like, "We like her," though you 00:01:12.272 --> 00:01:15.042 align:start line:63% position:44% size:78% do like her, but also like, "Wow, that really ministered to 00:01:15.042 --> 00:01:16.376 align:start line:69% position:47% size:63% me," and that's our goal. 00:01:16.376 --> 00:01:17.744 align:start line:69% position:44% size:78% Blynda: Yes, it's Jennie Allen. 00:01:17.744 --> 00:01:19.079 align:start line:69% position:50% size:45% Randy: Yes, it is. 00:01:19.079 --> 00:01:20.447 align:start line:69% position:44% size:78% Blynda: Yes, it's Jennie Allen. 00:01:20.447 --> 00:01:21.782 align:start line:63% position:50% size:50% Randy: Her new book, it's a mouthful. 00:01:21.782 --> 00:01:23.317 align:start line:63% position:47% size:63% Blynda: Yes, "The Lie You Don't Know You Believe." 00:01:23.317 --> 00:01:24.651 align:start line:63% position:50% size:61% Randy: "The Lie You Don't Know You Believe." 00:01:24.651 --> 00:01:26.353 align:start line:63% position:46% size:68% What is that? Well, we're gonna find out. 00:01:26.353 --> 00:01:27.854 align:start line:69% position:47% size:53% Jennie, welcome back. 00:01:27.854 --> 00:01:29.623 align:start line:69% position:45% size:73% Jennie: Thanks for having me. 00:01:29.623 --> 00:01:31.191 align:start line:63% position:50% size:50% Blynda: We're so glad you're with us. 00:01:31.191 --> 00:01:32.592 align:start line:63% position:47% size:58% Jennie: Oh, it's great. Always good to be here. 00:01:32.592 --> 00:01:34.127 align:start line:63% position:50% size:56% I feel like last time I made you cry, Randy. 00:01:34.127 --> 00:01:35.462 align:start line:63% position:50% size:45% I don't know if you remember that. 00:01:35.462 --> 00:01:36.797 align:start line:69% position:50% size:65% Blynda: The pressure's on. 00:01:36.797 --> 00:01:39.299 align:start line:63% position:50% size:81% Randy: So, you cannot go to lifetoday.org and see that show. 00:01:39.299 --> 00:01:41.168 align:start line:63% position:50% size:61% No, you could, actually. But that's funny. 00:01:41.168 --> 00:01:42.736 align:start line:63% position:47% size:53% I don't even remember what that was about. 00:01:42.736 --> 00:01:44.671 align:start line:63% position:50% size:81% Jennie: I don't think you really cried, but you opened up. 00:01:44.671 --> 00:01:46.006 align:start line:69% position:48% size:43% Randy: We'll try. 00:01:46.006 --> 00:01:47.341 align:start line:63% position:50% size:61% Jennie: Yeah, we'll try. It'll be my goal. 00:01:47.341 --> 00:01:50.177 align:start line:63% position:50% size:81% Blynda: Just for those that may not be as familiar, you were the 00:01:50.177 --> 00:01:52.980 align:start line:63% position:47% size:58% founder of the IF:Gathering, Gather25. 00:01:52.980 --> 00:01:56.383 align:start line:63% position:50% size:81% You go around college campuses, and pretty much, I feel like, in 00:01:56.383 --> 00:01:59.653 align:start line:63% position:46% size:68% the last year you have seen revival follow you wherever 00:01:59.653 --> 00:02:00.988 align:start line:69% position:48% size:18% you go. 00:02:00.988 --> 00:02:02.356 align:start line:63% position:48% size:43% It's kind of been amazing to see. 00:02:02.356 --> 00:02:03.957 align:start line:63% position:50% size:81% What has that experience--I know we'll talk about the book, but 00:02:03.957 --> 00:02:08.929 align:start line:63% position:50% size:70% what has it been like to get into these campuses and see, 00:02:08.929 --> 00:02:11.665 align:start line:63% position:50% size:56% like, fire being lit in these young people? 00:02:11.665 --> 00:02:14.868 align:start line:63% position:44% size:78% Jennie: Yeah, I mean, again and again, I just feel like God 00:02:14.868 --> 00:02:16.370 align:start line:69% position:50% size:70% cares about this generation. 00:02:16.370 --> 00:02:18.605 align:start line:63% position:50% size:65% I mean, he cares about every generation, but they 00:02:18.605 --> 00:02:19.940 align:start line:69% position:50% size:35% are desperate. 00:02:19.940 --> 00:02:21.875 align:start line:69% position:44% size:78% There's a desperation in Gen Z. 00:02:21.875 --> 00:02:25.245 align:start line:63% position:50% size:56% They have been so hungry for the gospel. 00:02:25.245 --> 00:02:28.749 align:start line:63% position:50% size:65% It is simple for them. It's not a political move. 00:02:28.749 --> 00:02:32.019 align:start line:63% position:48% size:43% It's not a--even a religious move. 00:02:32.019 --> 00:02:33.887 align:start line:69% position:50% size:81% It's not a denominational thing. 00:02:33.887 --> 00:02:39.326 align:start line:63% position:44% size:78% It's just, "I need help, and you're telling me God loves me. 00:02:39.326 --> 00:02:43.697 align:start line:63% position:45% size:73% You're telling me God accepts me, because of Jesus? 00:02:43.697 --> 00:02:45.065 align:start line:69% position:49% size:13% Yes." 00:02:45.065 --> 00:02:46.767 align:start line:63% position:50% size:81% Like, they feel like they've won the lottery when they understand 00:02:46.767 --> 00:02:48.101 align:start line:69% position:50% size:50% and hear the gospel. 00:02:48.101 --> 00:02:49.970 align:start line:63% position:50% size:45% It's so beautiful, it's so simple. 00:02:49.970 --> 00:02:51.405 align:start line:63% position:47% size:53% It reminds me, I've also been in prisons. 00:02:51.405 --> 00:02:54.441 align:start line:63% position:45% size:73% I'm gonna go to a prison next week with God Behind Bars. 00:02:54.441 --> 00:02:57.778 align:start line:63% position:50% size:81% And I just, again and again, you just see, when desperation is 00:02:57.778 --> 00:03:00.647 align:start line:69% position:50% size:75% there, God moves towards that. 00:03:00.647 --> 00:03:03.683 align:start line:63% position:50% size:70% And we just--we've been just in awe, over and over again. 00:03:03.683 --> 00:03:05.385 align:start line:63% position:48% size:43% Blynda: It's not just on campuses. 00:03:05.385 --> 00:03:09.356 align:start line:63% position:50% size:81% You actually recently decided to take yourself to Katy Trail in 00:03:09.356 --> 00:03:15.062 align:start line:63% position:50% size:75% Dallas, and you started just asking, on the pavement there, 00:03:15.062 --> 00:03:19.266 align:start line:63% position:50% size:75% on the jogging trail, you were asking these people, what kind 00:03:19.266 --> 00:03:21.368 align:start line:69% position:50% size:61% of lies do they believe? 00:03:21.368 --> 00:03:22.702 align:start line:69% position:50% size:41% Tell about that. 00:03:22.702 --> 00:03:24.071 align:start line:63% position:47% size:53% Jennie: Oh, I mean, it was so vulnerable. 00:03:24.071 --> 00:03:26.706 align:start line:63% position:44% size:78% We were just stopping people as they're running, poor things, 00:03:26.706 --> 00:03:28.375 align:start line:63% position:48% size:48% you know, and they're opening up. 00:03:28.375 --> 00:03:33.280 align:start line:63% position:44% size:78% I mean, they're really sharing, quickly, like an amazingly deep 00:03:33.280 --> 00:03:35.715 align:start line:63% position:44% size:78% need that they have, and things that they believe that are 00:03:35.715 --> 00:03:37.050 align:start line:69% position:50% size:65% negative about themselves. 00:03:37.050 --> 00:03:39.920 align:start line:63% position:50% size:81% It was really heartbreaking just to hear how quickly people could 00:03:39.920 --> 00:03:42.689 align:start line:63% position:50% size:56% call to mind lies that they're believing. 00:03:42.689 --> 00:03:44.357 align:start line:63% position:50% size:56% Randy: Ah, well, let's hear a few of those. 00:03:44.357 --> 00:03:46.893 align:start line:63% position:50% size:81% This is a little bit--just as a little kind of home video thing, 00:03:46.893 --> 00:03:50.997 align:start line:63% position:44% size:78% if we call it that anymore, but these are actual strangers that 00:03:50.997 --> 00:03:54.201 align:start line:63% position:50% size:81% Jennie met, and it's interesting to hear what they say. 00:03:54.201 --> 00:03:56.369 align:start line:69% position:48% size:38% Listen to this. 00:03:56.369 --> 00:03:58.338 align:start line:63% position:47% size:63% Jennie: What is a lie that y'all are believing? 00:03:58.338 --> 00:04:01.041 align:start line:63% position:50% size:81% female: Oh my gosh, I think that I will never be good enough in 00:04:01.041 --> 00:04:02.409 align:start line:69% position:48% size:43% like my own body. 00:04:02.409 --> 00:04:06.446 align:start line:63% position:50% size:56% female: I feel like I don't know my purpose. 00:04:06.446 --> 00:04:08.915 align:start line:63% position:46% size:68% I feel like I'm living in this world and I don't know 00:04:08.915 --> 00:04:10.283 align:start line:69% position:48% size:28% my purpose. 00:04:10.283 --> 00:04:11.618 align:start line:63% position:48% size:48% male: I don't think I can do this. 00:04:11.618 --> 00:04:13.086 align:start line:69% position:50% size:70% I'm not smart enough for it. 00:04:13.086 --> 00:04:15.322 align:start line:63% position:48% size:48% female: I need the approval of others. 00:04:15.322 --> 00:04:18.925 align:start line:63% position:50% size:70% male: I am a time waster and a terrible procrastinator. 00:04:18.925 --> 00:04:22.596 align:start line:63% position:50% size:61% female: I would probably say that I'm not enough. 00:04:22.596 --> 00:04:24.965 align:start line:63% position:50% size:70% female: A lie that I believe about myself is that 00:04:24.965 --> 00:04:26.500 align:start line:69% position:50% size:35% I'm worthless. 00:04:26.500 --> 00:04:28.468 align:start line:63% position:50% size:61% female: Oh, that I'm not good enough at my job. 00:04:28.468 --> 00:04:32.105 align:start line:63% position:45% size:73% male: Whenever I'm tired, I'm not actually tired, and I can 00:04:32.105 --> 00:04:33.440 align:start line:69% position:48% size:28% keep going. 00:04:33.440 --> 00:04:36.543 align:start line:63% position:50% size:81% female: I kind of fall into the lie that I accidentally got here 00:04:36.543 --> 00:04:40.580 align:start line:63% position:50% size:81% and I'm not supposed to be here, and, I don't know, maybe like 00:04:40.580 --> 00:04:41.915 align:start line:69% position:50% size:41% I'm not capable. 00:04:41.915 --> 00:04:43.283 align:start line:63% position:50% size:50% Jennie: I'll release this book this week. 00:04:43.283 --> 00:04:45.185 align:start line:63% position:44% size:78% I'll put it in your hands right now and I'll feel like it's not 00:04:45.185 --> 00:04:46.686 align:start line:69% position:50% size:31% good enough. 00:04:46.686 --> 00:04:48.989 align:start line:63% position:50% size:75% And lots of people already are saying it's helped them and 00:04:48.989 --> 00:04:51.658 align:start line:63% position:44% size:78% changed their life, and I still feel like it's not good enough. 00:04:51.658 --> 00:04:53.693 align:start line:63% position:50% size:81% And I'm like, that's why I wrote it, because I'm like, I'm so 00:04:53.693 --> 00:04:57.531 align:start line:63% position:44% size:78% sick of the enemy causing us to live in all this bondage where 00:04:57.531 --> 00:05:02.269 align:start line:63% position:45% size:73% we are stuck and spiraling and so negative all the time. 00:05:02.269 --> 00:05:04.871 align:start line:63% position:50% size:70% Randy: Wow, I mean, like you say, people are opening up. 00:05:04.871 --> 00:05:07.674 align:start line:63% position:46% size:68% That's wild that they would open up to you like that. 00:05:07.674 --> 00:05:09.042 align:start line:69% position:47% size:63% Jennie: Tell me about it. 00:05:09.042 --> 00:05:10.377 align:start line:69% position:50% size:41% It was shocking. 00:05:10.377 --> 00:05:11.978 align:start line:63% position:50% size:81% I mean, you just don't know what you're gonna get when you're 00:05:11.978 --> 00:05:14.247 align:start line:63% position:44% size:78% just throwing a mic in people's faces on their walks and 00:05:14.247 --> 00:05:15.615 align:start line:69% position:48% size:28% their runs. 00:05:15.615 --> 00:05:16.950 align:start line:69% position:50% size:50% It was unbelievable. 00:05:16.950 --> 00:05:18.318 align:start line:63% position:48% size:43% Randy: So this is like a big deal. 00:05:18.318 --> 00:05:20.987 align:start line:69% position:50% size:75% I mean, we believe these lies. 00:05:20.987 --> 00:05:22.355 align:start line:69% position:50% size:61% Where does it come from? 00:05:22.355 --> 00:05:24.958 align:start line:63% position:50% size:81% Jennie: Yeah, I mean, let's just start with a Biblical worldview, 00:05:24.958 --> 00:05:29.896 align:start line:63% position:50% size:45% that there is a God that is truth. 00:05:29.896 --> 00:05:33.200 align:start line:63% position:50% size:70% Jesus says, "I am the truth, the way, and the life." 00:05:33.200 --> 00:05:37.270 align:start line:63% position:44% size:78% So we have a God that is truth, and then he's very clear, Jesus 00:05:37.270 --> 00:05:41.308 align:start line:63% position:47% size:63% is very clear in John 8 that the enemy is a liar. 00:05:41.308 --> 00:05:45.779 align:start line:63% position:50% size:81% He says it five different ways in two sentences, that it is his 00:05:45.779 --> 00:05:50.417 align:start line:63% position:50% size:81% native tongue, that he is a liar, and all he speaks is lies. 00:05:50.417 --> 00:05:53.553 align:start line:63% position:45% size:73% And so I do believe that, you know, we're in the middle of 00:05:53.553 --> 00:05:55.455 align:start line:69% position:50% size:16% a war. 00:05:55.455 --> 00:06:00.994 align:start line:63% position:50% size:81% And so, you know, a good lie has to be somewhat believable, and 00:06:00.994 --> 00:06:03.363 align:start line:63% position:47% size:58% it has to have evidence for us to believe it. 00:06:03.363 --> 00:06:06.800 align:start line:63% position:50% size:81% And so what will happen is from a very young age, the enemy will 00:06:06.800 --> 00:06:08.501 align:start line:69% position:47% size:63% plant a lie in our minds. 00:06:08.501 --> 00:06:10.837 align:start line:63% position:50% size:75% For some of us it's five years old, ten years old, eight 00:06:10.837 --> 00:06:12.205 align:start line:69% position:50% size:25% years old. 00:06:12.205 --> 00:06:14.140 align:start line:63% position:50% size:75% For me it was 12 years old, where my dad and I were having 00:06:14.140 --> 00:06:15.508 align:start line:69% position:47% size:63% an innocent conversation. 00:06:15.508 --> 00:06:16.843 align:start line:69% position:46% size:68% He would never remember it. 00:06:16.843 --> 00:06:19.913 align:start line:63% position:50% size:75% But he began just rattling off topics of middle school, like 00:06:19.913 --> 00:06:23.316 align:start line:63% position:45% size:73% boys and grades and all these things, and I heard in that 00:06:23.316 --> 00:06:25.318 align:start line:63% position:50% size:50% moment, "You need to hit these marks." 00:06:25.318 --> 00:06:27.654 align:start line:63% position:50% size:81% I do not think that's what he was saying, and I don't think he 00:06:27.654 --> 00:06:30.991 align:start line:63% position:46% size:68% meant that in that moment, and it is what I took away. 00:06:30.991 --> 00:06:35.395 align:start line:63% position:50% size:81% And at that point, life became a series of trying to hit marks, 00:06:35.395 --> 00:06:37.497 align:start line:63% position:50% size:50% and hit the next mark to be accepted. 00:06:37.497 --> 00:06:40.300 align:start line:63% position:50% size:81% So, "The Lie You Don't Know You Believe," the reason I titled it 00:06:40.300 --> 00:06:44.671 align:start line:63% position:44% size:78% that was because most people don't think they believe a lie. 00:06:44.671 --> 00:06:46.306 align:start line:63% position:50% size:81% So everybody listening right now is like, "This doesn't apply 00:06:46.306 --> 00:06:47.641 align:start line:69% position:48% size:18% to me." 00:06:47.641 --> 00:06:51.077 align:start line:63% position:44% size:78% Most people, when questioned on the lie they do believe, would 00:06:51.077 --> 00:06:53.246 align:start line:69% position:50% size:45% defend it as true. 00:06:53.246 --> 00:06:56.049 align:start line:63% position:47% size:53% And yet, it is shaping our identity. 00:06:56.049 --> 00:06:58.485 align:start line:63% position:44% size:78% It is shaping the way we interact with God and everybody 00:06:58.485 --> 00:06:59.853 align:start line:69% position:50% size:25% around us. 00:06:59.853 --> 00:07:02.422 align:start line:63% position:50% size:81% It's shaping the risks we're willing to take and the risks we 00:07:02.422 --> 00:07:03.757 align:start line:69% position:48% size:28% won't take. 00:07:03.757 --> 00:07:07.093 align:start line:63% position:45% size:73% It's shaping our whole lives, also affecting the next 00:07:07.093 --> 00:07:08.495 align:start line:69% position:47% size:53% generations under us. 00:07:08.495 --> 00:07:11.965 align:start line:69% position:50% size:75% So our kids are picking it up. 00:07:11.965 --> 00:07:14.567 align:start line:63% position:50% size:75% We don't realize how much it's affecting us because it was 00:07:14.567 --> 00:07:18.371 align:start line:63% position:50% size:70% planted so early, and it has become so core to the way we 00:07:18.371 --> 00:07:21.541 align:start line:63% position:44% size:78% think and the way we live that we feel completely stuck in it. 00:07:21.541 --> 00:07:24.644 align:start line:63% position:50% size:75% Blynda: So then are there ways--how do you identify that 00:07:24.644 --> 00:07:27.180 align:start line:63% position:50% size:75% you've believed a lie that you don't know that you believed? 00:07:27.180 --> 00:07:30.850 align:start line:63% position:45% size:73% Jennie: So I tried to really simplify it, because we can't 00:07:30.850 --> 00:07:32.819 align:start line:63% position:47% size:63% take people through years of counseling, right? 00:07:32.819 --> 00:07:35.989 align:start line:63% position:46% size:68% And honestly, like, a lot of this has happened for me 00:07:35.989 --> 00:07:37.390 align:start line:69% position:50% size:35% in counseling. 00:07:37.390 --> 00:07:41.528 align:start line:63% position:50% size:70% And so, let's just take the three core basic human lies, 00:07:41.528 --> 00:07:45.198 align:start line:63% position:50% size:75% which Psych 101 would say that the things we believe about 00:07:45.198 --> 00:07:48.001 align:start line:63% position:44% size:78% ourselves, all of them can be boiled down to these three: I'm 00:07:48.001 --> 00:07:51.438 align:start line:63% position:50% size:61% helpless, I'm unlovable, I'm worthless. 00:07:51.438 --> 00:07:53.940 align:start line:63% position:47% size:63% I'm helpless, I'm unlovable, I'm worthless. 00:07:53.940 --> 00:07:55.275 align:start line:69% position:46% size:68% Randy: Yeah, we heard that. 00:07:55.275 --> 00:07:56.643 align:start line:63% position:50% size:41% We heard that in your interviews. 00:07:56.643 --> 00:07:59.446 align:start line:63% position:50% size:70% Jennie: Yes, all of those could point to one of those. 00:07:59.446 --> 00:08:03.383 align:start line:63% position:50% size:81% And so, what you have to realize is it doesn't manifest itself in 00:08:03.383 --> 00:08:06.653 align:start line:63% position:46% size:68% our minds that way, because if we hear something that-- 00:08:06.653 --> 00:08:07.987 align:start line:69% position:50% size:41% Blynda: Blatant. 00:08:07.987 --> 00:08:10.223 align:start line:63% position:46% size:68% Jennie: Right, we would go, "No, I'm not worthless." 00:08:10.223 --> 00:08:11.925 align:start line:69% position:46% size:68% We wouldn't relate to that. 00:08:11.925 --> 00:08:15.929 align:start line:63% position:50% size:81% But we often think to ourselves, "I need to hit this mark to be 00:08:15.929 --> 00:08:18.064 align:start line:63% position:50% size:81% accepted," and we don't know why we're so anxious about it, but 00:08:18.064 --> 00:08:20.934 align:start line:63% position:50% size:75% we can't seem to get it, or then we get it and we're still 00:08:20.934 --> 00:08:23.036 align:start line:69% position:50% size:81% feeling like there's a new mark. 00:08:23.036 --> 00:08:25.071 align:start line:63% position:50% size:81% And for those that are unlovable, it's people pleasing. 00:08:25.071 --> 00:08:26.439 align:start line:63% position:50% size:56% You try to get everybody to like you. 00:08:26.439 --> 00:08:29.075 align:start line:63% position:45% size:73% When someone betrays you, it feels like you can't breathe. 00:08:29.075 --> 00:08:31.511 align:start line:63% position:50% size:75% When someone doesn't like you, it feels like you have to 00:08:31.511 --> 00:08:32.879 align:start line:69% position:48% size:18% fix it. 00:08:32.879 --> 00:08:34.614 align:start line:63% position:45% size:73% For those that feel helpless, it's like, how much can 00:08:34.614 --> 00:08:35.949 align:start line:69% position:50% size:25% I control? 00:08:35.949 --> 00:08:37.851 align:start line:63% position:50% size:81% Either you give up control completely and you're just like, 00:08:37.851 --> 00:08:39.185 align:start line:69% position:48% size:28% "Who cares? 00:08:39.185 --> 00:08:41.955 align:start line:63% position:50% size:81% I can't control my life anyway," or you try to hyper-control it. 00:08:41.955 --> 00:08:44.157 align:start line:63% position:50% size:61% And so that's a lot of the ways those lies will 00:08:44.157 --> 00:08:45.759 align:start line:69% position:50% size:45% actually manifest. 00:08:45.759 --> 00:08:49.429 align:start line:63% position:44% size:78% Blynda: You actually talk about that it's not just replacing a 00:08:49.429 --> 00:08:53.032 align:start line:63% position:50% size:75% lie with truth, but actually replacing it with God's vision 00:08:53.032 --> 00:08:54.834 align:start line:69% position:50% size:35% for your life. 00:08:54.834 --> 00:08:56.202 align:start line:69% position:47% size:58% So, yeah, explain that. 00:08:56.202 --> 00:08:59.639 align:start line:63% position:44% size:78% Jennie: Yeah, I mean, I think--we think of the verse in 00:08:59.639 --> 00:09:02.776 align:start line:63% position:50% size:81% John that says, "You will know the truth and the truth will set 00:09:02.776 --> 00:09:04.110 align:start line:69% position:50% size:25% you free." 00:09:04.110 --> 00:09:06.646 align:start line:63% position:50% size:75% I've always thought that verse probably meant memorizing more 00:09:06.646 --> 00:09:08.581 align:start line:63% position:50% size:50% Scripture or knowing more Scripture. 00:09:08.581 --> 00:09:10.650 align:start line:63% position:48% size:48% And believe me that that can help. 00:09:10.650 --> 00:09:12.585 align:start line:69% position:50% size:81% In fact, that is really helpful. 00:09:12.585 --> 00:09:15.488 align:start line:63% position:44% size:78% But we're talking about core lies that you have believed for 00:09:15.488 --> 00:09:17.157 align:start line:69% position:48% size:43% possibly decades. 00:09:17.157 --> 00:09:20.994 align:start line:63% position:50% size:70% So those, interrupting those with a verse or a positive 00:09:20.994 --> 00:09:22.729 align:start line:63% position:50% size:70% thought, you know, I wrote a book called "Get Out of Your 00:09:22.729 --> 00:09:25.398 align:start line:63% position:50% size:81% Head," and everybody loved that book because that book you could 00:09:25.398 --> 00:09:26.733 align:start line:69% position:47% size:53% apply really quickly. 00:09:26.733 --> 00:09:29.302 align:start line:63% position:44% size:78% It's like, interrupt a thought, replace it with gratitude. 00:09:29.302 --> 00:09:32.605 align:start line:63% position:50% size:70% Replace it with, you know, different things that helped 00:09:32.605 --> 00:09:33.940 align:start line:69% position:47% size:58% renew your mind, right? 00:09:33.940 --> 00:09:35.308 align:start line:69% position:48% size:33% That's great. 00:09:35.308 --> 00:09:37.177 align:start line:63% position:50% size:81% But even when I wrote that book, I knew I would need to write 00:09:37.177 --> 00:09:42.115 align:start line:63% position:50% size:81% this book, because some thoughts have taken such a deep toll on 00:09:42.115 --> 00:09:45.785 align:start line:63% position:50% size:75% our minds and our life that we can't just interrupt it with a 00:09:45.785 --> 00:09:47.487 align:start line:69% position:48% size:43% verse, a thought. 00:09:47.487 --> 00:09:51.124 align:start line:63% position:44% size:78% So in the book I talk about two kingdoms, and as long as you 00:09:51.124 --> 00:09:55.228 align:start line:63% position:50% size:81% live in the kingdom of this world, which we all do, and it's 00:09:55.228 --> 00:09:58.498 align:start line:63% position:50% size:70% feeding us the lies again and again, every single day. 00:09:58.498 --> 00:10:01.601 align:start line:63% position:50% size:75% "You need to measure up, you need to try to control as much 00:10:01.601 --> 00:10:04.671 align:start line:63% position:50% size:75% as you can, you need to get as many people as you can to like 00:10:04.671 --> 00:10:07.674 align:start line:63% position:50% size:70% you, love you, accept you, because that's all you have. 00:10:07.674 --> 00:10:10.810 align:start line:63% position:50% size:75% So as long as you're living in that world, you better strive 00:10:10.810 --> 00:10:13.680 align:start line:63% position:50% size:75% and you better hit the marks, because that's what this world 00:10:13.680 --> 00:10:15.014 align:start line:69% position:48% size:33% cares about." 00:10:15.014 --> 00:10:17.317 align:start line:63% position:44% size:78% And the oxygen and the commodities in this world, they 00:10:17.317 --> 00:10:20.420 align:start line:63% position:50% size:70% do have to do with approval, power, control, all of 00:10:20.420 --> 00:10:21.754 align:start line:69% position:48% size:33% those things. 00:10:21.754 --> 00:10:23.723 align:start line:63% position:50% size:50% So you have to shift kingdoms completely. 00:10:23.723 --> 00:10:25.625 align:start line:63% position:50% size:65% Like, you have to go, "I'm not gonna live in this 00:10:25.625 --> 00:10:26.960 align:start line:69% position:48% size:38% world anymore." 00:10:26.960 --> 00:10:29.729 align:start line:63% position:50% size:81% And so this is what I do in my own mind, is I just go, "Wait, I 00:10:29.729 --> 00:10:32.532 align:start line:63% position:47% size:63% am not--I'm not a member of this kingdom anymore." 00:10:32.532 --> 00:10:34.601 align:start line:63% position:47% size:53% Like, I don't have to play by its rules. 00:10:34.601 --> 00:10:36.369 align:start line:63% position:47% size:63% I get to go to the other kingdom, and in the other 00:10:36.369 --> 00:10:40.540 align:start line:69% position:45% size:73% kingdom, the oxygen is grace. 00:10:40.540 --> 00:10:42.075 align:start line:69% position:50% size:35% I get to fail. 00:10:42.075 --> 00:10:44.277 align:start line:63% position:48% size:48% I don't have to be liked by everybody. 00:10:44.277 --> 00:10:48.548 align:start line:63% position:50% size:81% I don't have to control my life, because I serve a God who does. 00:10:48.548 --> 00:10:52.318 align:start line:63% position:44% size:78% And I'm not actually helpless, because I have the Holy Spirit. 00:10:52.318 --> 00:10:55.522 align:start line:63% position:45% size:73% I have good works that God prepared in advance for me to 00:10:55.522 --> 00:10:57.790 align:start line:63% position:50% size:56% accomplish and is equipping me to do it. 00:10:57.790 --> 00:10:59.158 align:start line:69% position:50% size:45% I'm not unlovable. 00:10:59.158 --> 00:11:01.394 align:start line:63% position:48% size:48% He died for me, for goodness sakes. 00:11:01.394 --> 00:11:05.765 align:start line:63% position:50% size:81% And I'm not worth nothing, because I am a child of the King 00:11:05.765 --> 00:11:07.133 align:start line:69% position:50% size:41% in this kingdom. 00:11:07.133 --> 00:11:10.937 align:start line:63% position:50% size:81% And so, when you shift kingdoms, and you actually put on what it 00:11:10.937 --> 00:11:16.009 align:start line:63% position:50% size:81% means to be a child of God and live there and enjoy it, you get 00:11:16.009 --> 00:11:17.343 align:start line:69% position:50% size:25% to exhale. 00:11:17.343 --> 00:11:18.711 align:start line:69% position:47% size:53% Blynda: It's freedom. 00:11:18.711 --> 00:11:20.046 align:start line:69% position:50% size:65% Jennie: It's very freeing. 00:11:20.046 --> 00:11:21.414 align:start line:69% position:50% size:81% Blynda: It's like, such freedom. 00:11:21.414 --> 00:11:23.016 align:start line:63% position:50% size:75% Randy: It feels like a lot of this is really about identity. 00:11:23.016 --> 00:11:24.350 align:start line:69% position:50% size:56% Jennie: Yeah, exactly. 00:11:24.350 --> 00:11:25.685 align:start line:63% position:46% size:68% I didn't know I was writing a book about identity. 00:11:25.685 --> 00:11:28.855 align:start line:63% position:45% size:73% I should have clued in when everything was, "I am this, I 00:11:28.855 --> 00:11:30.189 align:start line:69% position:50% size:21% am that. 00:11:30.189 --> 00:11:32.592 align:start line:63% position:50% size:61% I'm not this, I am not," but yes, it's absolutely 00:11:32.592 --> 00:11:33.927 align:start line:69% position:48% size:38% about identity. 00:11:33.927 --> 00:11:35.295 align:start line:63% position:47% size:53% Randy: And that's one of the core lies. 00:11:35.295 --> 00:11:40.066 align:start line:63% position:44% size:78% I mean, that's one of--you look at anybody who's had a very 00:11:40.066 --> 00:11:43.870 align:start line:63% position:44% size:78% difficult time or is in a bad spot, and you go back, and that 00:11:43.870 --> 00:11:48.408 align:start line:63% position:46% size:68% identity root is gonna be a critical component of a lot 00:11:48.408 --> 00:11:49.742 align:start line:69% position:50% size:31% of problems. 00:11:49.742 --> 00:11:51.110 align:start line:69% position:50% size:31% So, I mean-- 00:11:51.110 --> 00:11:52.445 align:start line:63% position:50% size:45% Blynda: And that's what you're doing. 00:11:52.445 --> 00:11:53.813 align:start line:69% position:50% size:75% You're getting it at the root. 00:11:53.813 --> 00:11:55.148 align:start line:69% position:50% size:81% Randy: She's digging down to it. 00:11:55.148 --> 00:11:58.384 align:start line:63% position:44% size:78% I mean, you actually talk about the lies beneath the lies. 00:11:58.384 --> 00:11:59.719 align:start line:69% position:47% size:58% How do we self-examine? 00:11:59.719 --> 00:12:01.354 align:start line:63% position:50% size:41% Can we do it, or do we need help? 00:12:01.354 --> 00:12:04.591 align:start line:63% position:50% size:81% Jennie: Yes, I actually did build a quiz, because I do think 00:12:04.591 --> 00:12:05.925 align:start line:69% position:48% size:38% it's important. 00:12:05.925 --> 00:12:08.394 align:start line:63% position:46% size:68% It's free, and it took me a lot of counseling to get to 00:12:08.394 --> 00:12:09.729 align:start line:69% position:50% size:25% it, right? 00:12:09.729 --> 00:12:11.431 align:start line:63% position:46% size:68% But I think it's just good to notice different thought 00:12:11.431 --> 00:12:12.765 align:start line:69% position:50% size:45% patterns you have. 00:12:12.765 --> 00:12:14.834 align:start line:63% position:50% size:56% You know, just, I like to say take inventory. 00:12:14.834 --> 00:12:18.838 align:start line:63% position:45% size:73% Just start to write down insecurity you have, thoughts 00:12:18.838 --> 00:12:22.041 align:start line:63% position:50% size:70% that you have about yourself that maybe are negative. 00:12:22.041 --> 00:12:25.211 align:start line:63% position:50% size:75% Just start to notice them, and when you start to notice them, 00:12:25.211 --> 00:12:27.280 align:start line:69% position:50% size:70% you're gonna notice a theme. 00:12:27.280 --> 00:12:31.117 align:start line:63% position:44% size:78% And so, you know, one of those lies, we all feel, at different 00:12:31.117 --> 00:12:32.485 align:start line:69% position:47% size:58% times, helpless, right? 00:12:32.485 --> 00:12:33.820 align:start line:69% position:46% size:68% That's part of being human. 00:12:33.820 --> 00:12:36.489 align:start line:63% position:50% size:56% We all feel unlovable, on certain days. 00:12:36.489 --> 00:12:39.258 align:start line:63% position:50% size:75% What I'm talking about in this book is a core lie, a lie that 00:12:39.258 --> 00:12:42.595 align:start line:63% position:50% size:81% you believed at a young age that has dug itself so deeply that it 00:12:42.595 --> 00:12:45.131 align:start line:63% position:47% size:53% has begun to shape everything about you. 00:12:45.131 --> 00:12:47.700 align:start line:63% position:50% size:70% So you're looking for those occasional thoughts that you 00:12:47.700 --> 00:12:50.670 align:start line:63% position:50% size:81% don't think are a big deal, to write them down, to notice them, 00:12:50.670 --> 00:12:52.572 align:start line:63% position:48% size:43% to begin to share them with people. 00:12:52.572 --> 00:12:54.641 align:start line:69% position:48% size:48% It's so vulnerable. 00:12:54.641 --> 00:12:57.777 align:start line:63% position:50% size:70% And it's so vulnerable because you think it's true. 00:12:57.777 --> 00:13:03.182 align:start line:63% position:50% size:70% So to be brave enough to say that, "I feel like I've 00:13:03.182 --> 00:13:07.654 align:start line:63% position:50% size:81% got to hit this mark or I'm not gonna matter," that feels really 00:13:07.654 --> 00:13:08.988 align:start line:69% position:48% size:33% brave to say. 00:13:08.988 --> 00:13:12.358 align:start line:63% position:46% size:68% Like, "I don't feel lovable in relationships, I 00:13:12.358 --> 00:13:13.826 align:start line:69% position:50% size:41% feel unlovable." 00:13:13.826 --> 00:13:16.496 align:start line:63% position:45% size:73% I remember I was on a college campus recently and a little 00:13:16.496 --> 00:13:21.267 align:start line:63% position:50% size:75% girl looked at me and said, "My dad always loved my little 00:13:21.267 --> 00:13:23.369 align:start line:69% position:47% size:53% sister more than me." 00:13:23.369 --> 00:13:26.773 align:start line:63% position:50% size:81% And I asked her more about it, and she just openly talked about 00:13:26.773 --> 00:13:28.608 align:start line:69% position:50% size:81% it, tears running down her face. 00:13:28.608 --> 00:13:31.611 align:start line:63% position:50% size:61% That's such a vulnerable thing to say out loud. 00:13:31.611 --> 00:13:34.914 align:start line:63% position:44% size:78% But when she did, I got to look her in the eyes and say, "What 00:13:34.914 --> 00:13:36.749 align:start line:63% position:48% size:43% do you believe is true about you?" 00:13:36.749 --> 00:13:40.153 align:start line:63% position:50% size:70% And she got to start voicing truth, voicing, "I'm loved 00:13:40.153 --> 00:13:41.521 align:start line:69% position:48% size:18% by God. 00:13:41.521 --> 00:13:44.590 align:start line:63% position:48% size:48% And he sees me, he knows me, he cares. 00:13:44.590 --> 00:13:46.793 align:start line:63% position:47% size:58% He saw me all of the times I felt that way." 00:13:46.793 --> 00:13:49.862 align:start line:63% position:50% size:70% Like, she was able to start voicing these things, but it 00:13:49.862 --> 00:13:52.765 align:start line:63% position:45% size:73% started with her being vulnerable and her saying out 00:13:52.765 --> 00:13:55.568 align:start line:63% position:48% size:43% loud, like, "This is what I feel." 00:13:55.568 --> 00:13:57.170 align:start line:69% position:50% size:56% Randy: Not always fun. 00:13:57.170 --> 00:13:58.838 align:start line:69% position:45% size:73% Jennie: Very hard, very hard. 00:13:58.838 --> 00:14:03.042 align:start line:63% position:50% size:81% It's a very--it's brave work, but I'm telling you, I just want 00:14:03.042 --> 00:14:06.746 align:start line:63% position:50% size:81% to encourage everybody listening to do the work, because, you 00:14:06.746 --> 00:14:09.982 align:start line:63% position:50% size:75% know, all of this book started for me because my daughter 00:14:09.982 --> 00:14:11.350 align:start line:69% position:50% size:50% struggled with this. 00:14:11.350 --> 00:14:14.954 align:start line:63% position:50% size:75% And she's sitting there, this glorious human, and telling me 00:14:14.954 --> 00:14:16.923 align:start line:63% position:47% size:53% that she feels broken and defective. 00:14:16.923 --> 00:14:19.859 align:start line:63% position:50% size:65% And I realized that my lie was contagious to her. 00:14:19.859 --> 00:14:21.694 align:start line:69% position:46% size:68% And so, we don't want that. 00:14:21.694 --> 00:14:25.765 align:start line:63% position:50% size:81% Like, we don't want these things to get into and seep into our 00:14:25.765 --> 00:14:28.534 align:start line:63% position:47% size:63% kids or our grandkids and into our friendships and 00:14:28.534 --> 00:14:29.869 align:start line:69% position:50% size:45% our relationships. 00:14:29.869 --> 00:14:33.072 align:start line:63% position:44% size:78% It is very worth it to do it, and you can't believe, once you 00:14:33.072 --> 00:14:36.075 align:start line:63% position:47% size:63% say it, how free you feel just saying it out loud. 00:14:36.075 --> 00:14:38.211 align:start line:63% position:44% size:78% Blynda: And then you almost start--can't believe you didn't 00:14:38.211 --> 00:14:39.579 align:start line:69% position:50% size:45% see it before now. 00:14:39.579 --> 00:14:40.913 align:start line:69% position:48% size:38% Jennie: I know. 00:14:40.913 --> 00:14:42.815 align:start line:63% position:44% size:78% Like everybody on the clip we just watched on the Katy Trail, 00:14:42.815 --> 00:14:45.485 align:start line:63% position:50% size:70% this girl was like, "I don't even believe that's true." 00:14:45.485 --> 00:14:47.587 align:start line:63% position:46% size:68% And the second she said it, she'd never said it out 00:14:47.587 --> 00:14:48.921 align:start line:69% position:50% size:31% loud before. 00:14:48.921 --> 00:14:51.491 align:start line:63% position:47% size:63% She was like, "I've given so much thought to this." 00:14:51.491 --> 00:14:53.226 align:start line:63% position:50% size:70% And then immediately she was like, "I don't even think 00:14:53.226 --> 00:14:54.560 align:start line:69% position:48% size:28% it's true." 00:14:54.560 --> 00:14:56.796 align:start line:63% position:50% size:65% Like, she didn't know till she said it out loud. 00:14:56.796 --> 00:14:59.432 align:start line:63% position:45% size:73% Blynda: So there is something powerful about saying it, and 00:14:59.432 --> 00:15:04.470 align:start line:63% position:50% size:75% about confessing it to someone else and going arm in arm with 00:15:04.470 --> 00:15:05.805 align:start line:69% position:47% size:58% someone that you trust. 00:15:05.805 --> 00:15:07.173 align:start line:69% position:48% size:38% Jennie: I know. 00:15:07.173 --> 00:15:08.508 align:start line:69% position:44% size:78% It can be a breakthrough, yeah. 00:15:08.508 --> 00:15:10.910 align:start line:63% position:50% size:81% Randy: And it's interesting that you say that, because that's the 00:15:10.910 --> 00:15:14.046 align:start line:63% position:44% size:78% essence of spiritual warfare and Scripture, which is to take 00:15:14.046 --> 00:15:20.052 align:start line:63% position:50% size:81% every thought captive to the obedience of Christ, which says, 00:15:20.052 --> 00:15:22.822 align:start line:63% position:50% size:81% "Okay, well, what I was thinking, or what I've spent too 00:15:22.822 --> 00:15:26.058 align:start line:63% position:45% size:73% much time thinking, even if I haven't voiced it, that's not 00:15:26.058 --> 00:15:28.828 align:start line:69% position:46% size:68% what Christ says about me." 00:15:28.828 --> 00:15:33.432 align:start line:63% position:44% size:78% So I mean, in a lot of ways, it really comes down to, do you 00:15:33.432 --> 00:15:36.602 align:start line:63% position:50% size:45% believe what Jesus says about you? 00:15:36.602 --> 00:15:37.937 align:start line:69% position:45% size:73% Jennie: And that's the fight. 00:15:37.937 --> 00:15:42.608 align:start line:63% position:44% size:78% And yet everything, and I think this is a great point 00:15:42.608 --> 00:15:46.412 align:start line:63% position:50% size:81% to talk about, because we can tend to get in this conversation 00:15:46.412 --> 00:15:48.314 align:start line:69% position:50% size:56% and beat ourselves up. 00:15:48.314 --> 00:15:50.449 align:start line:63% position:45% size:73% Because I had to look at my daughter and go, "Oh my gosh, 00:15:50.449 --> 00:15:51.818 align:start line:69% position:50% size:56% was my lie contagious? 00:15:51.818 --> 00:15:53.152 align:start line:69% position:50% size:70% Did she just watch me live?" 00:15:53.152 --> 00:15:54.520 align:start line:69% position:47% size:63% I wasn't critical of her. 00:15:54.520 --> 00:15:55.988 align:start line:69% position:47% size:63% My husband wasn't either. 00:15:55.988 --> 00:16:00.226 align:start line:63% position:50% size:70% Did she just watch us try to perform for acceptance and, 00:16:00.226 --> 00:16:01.561 align:start line:69% position:48% size:43% like, learned it? 00:16:01.561 --> 00:16:02.929 align:start line:69% position:48% size:23% Probably. 00:16:02.929 --> 00:16:05.865 align:start line:63% position:44% size:78% And I remember just feeling so bad about myself and going, "Oh 00:16:05.865 --> 00:16:07.233 align:start line:63% position:48% size:48% gosh, I should have dealt with this. 00:16:07.233 --> 00:16:08.835 align:start line:69% position:50% size:41% I should have--" 00:16:08.835 --> 00:16:10.403 align:start line:63% position:50% size:61% And I don't think that's how God views it. 00:16:10.403 --> 00:16:15.408 align:start line:63% position:50% size:81% I think he is very empathetic to the fact that we have an enemy, 00:16:15.408 --> 00:16:17.610 align:start line:63% position:50% size:75% and we are not warring against flesh and blood, that we're 00:16:17.610 --> 00:16:20.980 align:start line:63% position:50% size:75% warring against principalities that are seeking to put those 00:16:20.980 --> 00:16:23.115 align:start line:69% position:47% size:63% that love God in bondage. 00:16:23.115 --> 00:16:28.454 align:start line:63% position:50% size:70% And so, he's coming to cause us to not believe, and he's 00:16:28.454 --> 00:16:32.024 align:start line:63% position:44% size:78% using--he's got so much at his disposal, from social media, to 00:16:32.024 --> 00:16:35.995 align:start line:63% position:50% size:81% television, to parents, maybe, that were critical, to all kinds 00:16:35.995 --> 00:16:37.330 align:start line:63% position:50% size:41% of--he's got all of it, you know? 00:16:37.330 --> 00:16:38.664 align:start line:69% position:48% size:43% He'll use it all. 00:16:38.664 --> 00:16:44.136 align:start line:63% position:50% size:81% But it's not necessarily our fault, but it is an opportunity. 00:16:44.136 --> 00:16:47.773 align:start line:63% position:45% size:73% I see it as an invitation, that we have an invitation to 00:16:47.773 --> 00:16:50.810 align:start line:63% position:50% size:75% consider, maybe it's not true, and maybe I haven't believed 00:16:50.810 --> 00:16:52.545 align:start line:69% position:47% size:58% what God said about me. 00:16:52.545 --> 00:16:54.847 align:start line:63% position:45% size:73% Blynda: And it's okay to understand--you even write in 00:16:54.847 --> 00:16:57.884 align:start line:63% position:45% size:73% there, "Darkness doesn't go quietly when the light breaks 00:16:57.884 --> 00:16:59.252 align:start line:69% position:50% size:35% in," you know? 00:16:59.252 --> 00:17:02.021 align:start line:63% position:50% size:75% There might be some spiritual warfare, so not to resist when 00:17:02.021 --> 00:17:05.358 align:start line:63% position:50% size:81% you start feeling like, "Wait, this feels hard, this feels like 00:17:05.358 --> 00:17:08.127 align:start line:63% position:50% size:61% a lot," but to keep pressing into the truth. 00:17:08.127 --> 00:17:11.464 align:start line:63% position:50% size:81% Jennie: Yeah, the devil does not want us bringing any attention 00:17:11.464 --> 00:17:12.832 align:start line:69% position:50% size:21% to this. 00:17:12.832 --> 00:17:14.500 align:start line:63% position:50% size:75% This has been the hardest book I've ever written, top to 00:17:14.500 --> 00:17:15.968 align:start line:69% position:50% size:70% bottom, everything about it. 00:17:15.968 --> 00:17:17.303 align:start line:69% position:48% size:38% And I know why. 00:17:17.303 --> 00:17:18.671 align:start line:69% position:50% size:75% I mean, it's so obvious to me. 00:17:18.671 --> 00:17:22.141 align:start line:63% position:50% size:75% I'm like, this is exposing his main tactic for humans, and 00:17:22.141 --> 00:17:24.810 align:start line:63% position:50% size:81% especially those that are in the church, because he wants us in 00:17:24.810 --> 00:17:28.180 align:start line:63% position:46% size:68% bondage, and so we miss the things that God has for us 00:17:28.180 --> 00:17:32.218 align:start line:63% position:44% size:78% because we're insignificant, because we're helpless, because 00:17:32.218 --> 00:17:33.953 align:start line:69% position:46% size:68% we can't make a difference. 00:17:33.953 --> 00:17:36.222 align:start line:69% position:47% size:63% So, yeah, there's a ploy. 00:17:36.222 --> 00:17:38.457 align:start line:63% position:50% size:81% Blynda: Well, even--yeah, you're talking about two kingdoms, and 00:17:38.457 --> 00:17:40.993 align:start line:63% position:50% size:81% when you talked about the first one, it's like, why wouldn't the 00:17:40.993 --> 00:17:42.695 align:start line:69% position:45% size:73% enemy want you to stay there? 00:17:42.695 --> 00:17:45.097 align:start line:63% position:50% size:50% It's all self, self, self, you know? 00:17:45.097 --> 00:17:48.167 align:start line:63% position:50% size:75% Jennie: And the more I live in God's Kingdom, the more fun I 00:17:48.167 --> 00:17:51.637 align:start line:63% position:50% size:70% have, the more joy I have, the more trouble I'm causing 00:17:51.637 --> 00:17:53.005 align:start line:69% position:50% size:21% to hell. 00:17:53.005 --> 00:17:54.941 align:start line:63% position:50% size:70% Like, it's good to be in the Kingdom of God, and to be 00:17:54.941 --> 00:17:56.442 align:start line:69% position:50% size:81% walking in that kind of freedom. 00:17:56.442 --> 00:17:57.810 align:start line:63% position:50% size:50% Blynda: And it's good to do the work. 00:17:57.810 --> 00:17:59.178 align:start line:69% position:50% size:81% Randy: It is, and you know what? 00:17:59.178 --> 00:18:01.447 align:start line:63% position:46% size:68% I think there's some people watching right now that can 00:18:01.447 --> 00:18:02.815 align:start line:69% position:50% size:41% start that work. 00:18:02.815 --> 00:18:05.518 align:start line:63% position:45% size:73% I would like to get this book into your hands, if you would 00:18:05.518 --> 00:18:06.886 align:start line:69% position:50% size:21% like to. 00:18:06.886 --> 00:18:08.654 align:start line:63% position:46% size:68% You can get it anywhere you get books, we know that. 00:18:08.654 --> 00:18:12.959 align:start line:63% position:50% size:81% But we have an opportunity today where if you will help us break 00:18:12.959 --> 00:18:17.830 align:start line:63% position:45% size:73% into that kingdom of darkness with God's light and love and 00:18:17.830 --> 00:18:22.268 align:start line:63% position:50% size:81% tell people--well, some of them believe some pretty serious lies 00:18:22.268 --> 00:18:26.038 align:start line:63% position:44% size:78% about themselves, that they are hopeless, but we're gonna show 00:18:26.038 --> 00:18:27.840 align:start line:69% position:50% size:70% them, no, it's not hopeless. 00:18:27.840 --> 00:18:29.742 align:start line:69% position:46% size:68% We have a huge opportunity. 00:18:29.742 --> 00:18:31.110 align:start line:69% position:46% size:68% We call it Mission Feeding. 00:18:31.110 --> 00:18:34.146 align:start line:63% position:50% size:81% And I'd like to give you a little bit of a glimpse of that. 00:18:34.146 --> 00:18:37.249 align:start line:63% position:50% size:81% If you will join us today, you can request Jennie Allen's book. 00:18:37.249 --> 00:18:38.584 align:start line:69% position:50% size:70% We'd love to send it to you. 00:18:38.584 --> 00:18:42.888 align:start line:63% position:50% size:75% But more importantly, you will be doing some of that work to 00:18:42.888 --> 00:18:45.124 align:start line:63% position:50% size:56% show some people that, no, it's not hopeless. 00:18:45.124 --> 00:18:49.061 align:start line:63% position:50% size:75% There is a God who loves you, and there are people who care. 00:18:49.061 --> 00:18:51.063 align:start line:69% position:44% size:78% Watch this, and you'll see how. 00:18:53.399 --> 00:18:55.401 align:start line:10% position:46% size:68% [speaking foreign language] 00:18:57.937 --> 00:19:03.743 align:start line:85% position:48% size:18% [music] 00:19:18.991 --> 00:19:28.434 align:start line:85% position:48% size:18% [music] 00:19:55.761 --> 00:20:00.666 align:start line:79% position:50% size:75% Randy: If we will remember all those children who are on the 00:20:00.666 --> 00:20:04.837 align:start line:79% position:45% size:73% edge of death, they're malnourished, they're hungry, 00:20:04.837 --> 00:20:11.077 align:start line:79% position:50% size:81% and we will do something about it, we won't have to put another 00:20:11.077 --> 00:20:14.280 align:start line:85% position:50% size:65% white cross into the sand. 00:20:14.280 --> 00:20:19.685 align:start line:79% position:44% size:78% Let's not forget those for whom we were too late, but more 00:20:19.685 --> 00:20:22.988 align:start line:79% position:44% size:78% importantly, let's not forget those who are within our reach. 00:20:22.988 --> 00:20:24.423 align:start line:85% position:50% size:45% We can save lives. 00:20:24.423 --> 00:20:28.894 align:start line:79% position:50% size:75% We can stop the cycle of death here, through Mission Feeding. 00:20:28.894 --> 00:20:30.896 align:start line:85% position:48% size:48% Please do it today. 00:20:34.066 --> 00:20:37.670 align:start line:63% position:44% size:78% Randy: You know, Blynda, those graves that you saw, here's the 00:20:37.670 --> 00:20:41.974 align:start line:63% position:47% size:53% wild thing about that, and really sad. 00:20:41.974 --> 00:20:45.344 align:start line:69% position:47% size:63% Those are pre-dug graves. 00:20:45.344 --> 00:20:49.381 align:start line:63% position:45% size:73% In other words, it's not like someone died and so they dug 00:20:49.381 --> 00:20:50.916 align:start line:69% position:50% size:21% a grave. 00:20:50.916 --> 00:20:56.155 align:start line:63% position:47% size:63% They dig them knowing that they will be filled. 00:20:56.155 --> 00:20:59.158 align:start line:63% position:50% size:50% And did you notice how short they were? 00:20:59.158 --> 00:21:03.229 align:start line:63% position:45% size:73% They dig some larger ones for adults, but they dig many 00:21:03.229 --> 00:21:04.563 align:start line:69% position:50% size:45% children's graves. 00:21:04.563 --> 00:21:07.166 align:start line:63% position:50% size:65% They pre-dig them, because they're planning on death. 00:21:07.166 --> 00:21:08.501 align:start line:69% position:50% size:56% And they're not wrong. 00:21:08.501 --> 00:21:12.404 align:start line:63% position:50% size:75% Blynda: I think of the mom who was just saying, "I don't even 00:21:12.404 --> 00:21:14.907 align:start line:63% position:46% size:68% want my kids to go to sleep because I don't know that 00:21:14.907 --> 00:21:16.275 align:start line:69% position:50% size:65% they're going to wake up." 00:21:16.275 --> 00:21:19.478 align:start line:63% position:50% size:81% As a mother, I have never had to fear that when my child goes to 00:21:19.478 --> 00:21:22.515 align:start line:63% position:50% size:61% sleep at night, they may not wake up because of 00:21:22.515 --> 00:21:24.316 align:start line:69% position:48% size:48% malnutrition, ever. 00:21:24.316 --> 00:21:26.218 align:start line:63% position:47% size:63% Randy: Yeah, and the malnutrition is behind so 00:21:26.218 --> 00:21:27.586 align:start line:69% position:50% size:31% many things. 00:21:27.586 --> 00:21:30.990 align:start line:63% position:45% size:73% And actually, Blynda was just asking me, you know, earlier 00:21:30.990 --> 00:21:32.758 align:start line:63% position:48% size:38% today, what does that mean? 00:21:32.758 --> 00:21:37.563 align:start line:63% position:44% size:78% And the reality is, if there is something else like malaria or 00:21:37.563 --> 00:21:41.767 align:start line:63% position:50% size:75% like some waterborne disease, that a child gets when they're 00:21:41.767 --> 00:21:45.871 align:start line:63% position:45% size:73% malnourished, the chances are slim to none that they can 00:21:45.871 --> 00:21:47.239 align:start line:69% position:46% size:68% survive that kind of thing. 00:21:47.239 --> 00:21:50.943 align:start line:63% position:50% size:75% That's why the medical clinics that you'll see in many of our 00:21:50.943 --> 00:21:53.979 align:start line:63% position:44% size:78% roll-ins, in our footage, they're critical, but the point 00:21:53.979 --> 00:21:57.483 align:start line:63% position:50% size:81% of Mission Feeding is that they never actually have to go to one 00:21:57.483 --> 00:21:58.851 align:start line:69% position:48% size:43% of those clinics. 00:21:58.851 --> 00:22:01.620 align:start line:63% position:50% size:65% I'm glad they're there, but they're a last resort. 00:22:01.620 --> 00:22:06.892 align:start line:63% position:50% size:75% When we take the food to them, as Mission Feeding does, you'd 00:22:06.892 --> 00:22:10.396 align:start line:63% position:46% size:68% never get to that desperate point of the clinic. 00:22:10.396 --> 00:22:14.333 align:start line:63% position:50% size:65% Blynda: We kind of kick malnutrition at the knees. 00:22:14.333 --> 00:22:18.304 align:start line:63% position:50% size:81% I mean, I'm looking at this bowl here and just thinking, this is 00:22:18.304 --> 00:22:20.306 align:start line:69% position:44% size:78% what we provide when they come. 00:22:20.306 --> 00:22:23.409 align:start line:63% position:45% size:73% These children can bring this bowl and can fill this up. 00:22:23.409 --> 00:22:26.946 align:start line:63% position:50% size:81% Randy: So the bowls came about because viewers like you saw the 00:22:26.946 --> 00:22:30.182 align:start line:63% position:50% size:75% Mission Feeding outreach where they're bringing plastic bags 00:22:30.182 --> 00:22:32.251 align:start line:63% position:50% size:45% or sometimes rusty cans like this 00:22:32.251 --> 00:22:34.553 align:start line:63% position:48% size:43% which immediately gets way too hot. 00:22:34.553 --> 00:22:36.121 align:start line:69% position:47% size:58% Trust me, I've felt it. 00:22:36.121 --> 00:22:37.756 align:start line:63% position:47% size:63% And they were like, "You need to give them some--" 00:22:37.756 --> 00:22:39.158 align:start line:69% position:50% size:56% so yeah, we started bringing the bowls in. 00:22:39.158 --> 00:22:40.826 align:start line:69% position:47% size:63% And now they're all over. 00:22:40.826 --> 00:22:43.095 align:start line:63% position:50% size:81% We'll go back to places we hadn't been in years, and you'll 00:22:43.095 --> 00:22:46.031 align:start line:63% position:44% size:78% see those bowls everywhere, because they're heat-resistant. 00:22:46.031 --> 00:22:49.902 align:start line:63% position:50% size:81% And yes, so sometimes that's the only meal that a child will get, 00:22:49.902 --> 00:22:53.038 align:start line:63% position:50% size:75% but it's so nutrition-enriched that it gets them through the 00:22:53.038 --> 00:22:54.440 align:start line:69% position:50% size:41% emergency times. 00:22:54.440 --> 00:22:56.809 align:start line:63% position:47% size:58% Other places they might get a couple meals. 00:22:56.809 --> 00:22:59.345 align:start line:63% position:50% size:70% Usually it's in a school, because they're getting some 00:22:59.345 --> 00:23:01.947 align:start line:58% position:50% size:70% instruction, they're getting a hope and a future. 00:23:01.947 --> 00:23:04.450 align:start line:58% position:44% size:78% I mean, this, I could go on and on, by the way, I could go on 00:23:04.450 --> 00:23:06.952 align:start line:58% position:45% size:73% forever about the Mission Feeding program because it is 00:23:06.952 --> 00:23:10.022 align:start line:58% position:50% size:65% such a beautiful work, and it is such a work of God. 00:23:10.022 --> 00:23:11.991 align:start line:63% position:50% size:70% It's very close to my heart. 00:23:11.991 --> 00:23:15.394 align:start line:58% position:44% size:78% We are making a difference, but you need to know that we only 00:23:15.394 --> 00:23:19.398 align:start line:58% position:50% size:81% make the difference, those of us at Life Outreach and those of us 00:23:19.398 --> 00:23:23.235 align:start line:58% position:50% size:75% who are partners in the field, we only make that difference 00:23:23.235 --> 00:23:25.904 align:start line:63% position:50% size:45% with your support. 00:23:25.904 --> 00:23:31.744 align:start line:58% position:50% size:61% It's viewers like you that make this possible. 00:23:31.744 --> 00:23:34.046 align:start line:63% position:50% size:56% You need not go there. 00:23:34.046 --> 00:23:37.716 align:start line:58% position:50% size:75% You just need to give whatever God puts on your heart. 00:23:37.716 --> 00:23:39.585 align:start line:63% position:47% size:58% We've got people there. 00:23:39.585 --> 00:23:40.953 align:start line:63% position:50% size:41% They're waiting. 00:23:40.953 --> 00:23:43.789 align:start line:63% position:44% size:78% The need, you can see, is huge. 00:23:43.789 --> 00:23:45.157 align:start line:63% position:50% size:65% But we can fill that need. 00:23:45.157 --> 00:23:48.160 align:start line:58% position:45% size:73% We can fill it with a bowl of food, and we can fill it with 00:23:48.160 --> 00:23:51.096 align:start line:63% position:50% size:81% the love of God, and we do both. 00:23:51.096 --> 00:23:56.235 align:start line:58% position:50% size:65% I'm asking you to join us, to fill a bowl, to share 00:23:56.235 --> 00:24:02.074 align:start line:58% position:46% size:68% God's love, $30, $50, $100, $1,000 if you can do it. 00:24:02.074 --> 00:24:06.211 align:start line:58% position:50% size:50% It'll help feed 3, 5, 10, 100 children. 00:24:06.211 --> 00:24:10.616 align:start line:58% position:50% size:81% Do what you can, go online, go to the phone, make the best gift 00:24:10.616 --> 00:24:11.950 align:start line:63% position:50% size:21% you can. 00:24:11.950 --> 00:24:13.719 align:start line:58% position:45% size:73% And I can tell you, I've been there, I've seen it with my 00:24:13.719 --> 00:24:15.087 align:start line:63% position:48% size:23% own eyes. 00:24:15.087 --> 00:24:17.589 align:start line:63% position:50% size:70% Mission Feeding saves lives. 00:24:17.589 --> 00:24:18.924 align:start line:63% position:48% size:38% Will you do it? 00:24:18.924 --> 00:24:20.926 align:start line:63% position:50% size:75% I hope you'll do it right now. 00:24:22.528 --> 00:24:25.798 align:start line:10% position:44% size:78% announcer: Right now across the continent of Africa, children 00:24:25.798 --> 00:24:30.035 align:start line:10% position:50% size:70% are suffering, facing severe malnutrition and even death. 00:24:30.035 --> 00:24:33.172 align:start line:10% position:45% size:73% With food reserves critically depleted and many areas 00:24:33.172 --> 00:24:37.443 align:start line:10% position:50% size:81% experiencing devastating famine, we urgently need to replenish 00:24:37.443 --> 00:24:41.447 align:start line:10% position:50% size:70% supplies to keep feeding the 350,000 children who are 00:24:41.447 --> 00:24:43.782 align:start line:10% position:50% size:81% counting on us every single day. 00:24:43.782 --> 00:24:47.486 align:start line:10% position:44% size:78% Through Life's mission feeding outreach, your gift of love can 00:24:47.486 --> 00:24:51.023 align:start line:10% position:45% size:73% be an answer to a prayer for a hurting and hungry child in 00:24:51.023 --> 00:24:52.558 align:start line:10% position:48% size:48% their time of need. 00:24:52.558 --> 00:24:57.963 align:start line:10% position:50% size:75% Call now with your life-saving gift of $30, $50, or $100 to 00:24:57.963 --> 00:25:03.902 align:start line:10% position:44% size:78% help feed and care for 3, 5, or 10 children for 3 full months. 00:25:03.902 --> 00:25:07.740 align:start line:10% position:50% size:81% With your gift we'll send you "The Father's Heart" devotional. 00:25:07.740 --> 00:25:11.410 align:start line:10% position:50% size:81% Drawing from Scripture and his past, James Robison takes you on 00:25:11.410 --> 00:25:15.080 align:start line:10% position:50% size:70% a 90-day journey to help you experience a deeper, more 00:25:15.080 --> 00:25:18.650 align:start line:10% position:50% size:65% personal relationship with God as your loving Father. 00:25:18.650 --> 00:25:20.886 align:start line:10% position:44% size:78% With your gift of $100 or more, 00:25:20.886 --> 00:25:23.322 align:start line:10% position:50% size:65% you will receive The Father's Heart bundle. 00:25:23.322 --> 00:25:26.725 align:start line:10% position:50% size:81% This stationary set, paired with the devotional, is a 00:25:26.725 --> 00:25:29.862 align:start line:10% position:50% size:81% thoughtfully-designed collection created to help you share 00:25:29.862 --> 00:25:33.699 align:start line:10% position:50% size:81% encouragement, prayer, and the love of our Heavenly Father with 00:25:33.699 --> 00:25:35.434 align:start line:10% position:47% size:53% those you care about. 00:25:35.434 --> 00:25:39.138 align:start line:10% position:44% size:78% Finally, with your gift of $1,000 or more, which will help 00:25:39.138 --> 00:25:43.642 align:start line:10% position:50% size:75% feed 100 children in desperate need, request Life's beautiful 00:25:43.642 --> 00:25:46.645 align:start line:10% position:50% size:45% bronze sculpture, The Good Shepherd. 00:25:46.645 --> 00:25:49.648 align:start line:10% position:50% size:70% So, please call, write, or make your gift online today. 00:25:52.684 --> 00:25:55.354 align:start line:10% position:50% size:70% Isak Pretorius: My prayer is that we haven't reached this 00:25:55.354 --> 00:25:56.688 align:start line:10% position:48% size:38% child too late. 00:25:56.688 --> 00:25:58.323 align:start line:10% position:46% size:68% My prayer is that the therapeutic food that we're 00:25:58.323 --> 00:26:00.426 align:start line:10% position:48% size:48% bringing this child will save its life. 00:26:00.426 --> 00:26:04.496 align:start line:10% position:50% size:70% But my other prayer is that we're able to reach the many 00:26:04.496 --> 00:26:08.167 align:start line:10% position:50% size:70% mothers in villages all over this area, just like Marta, 00:26:08.167 --> 00:26:12.171 align:start line:10% position:44% size:78% mothers who are so desperate for food that we can reach them 00:26:12.171 --> 00:26:15.340 align:start line:10% position:46% size:68% before their children end up in malnutrition clinics. 00:26:15.340 --> 00:26:17.376 align:start line:10% position:50% size:50% You can be an answer to that prayer. 00:26:17.376 --> 00:26:20.579 align:start line:10% position:45% size:73% You can provide the resources today to enable our mission 00:26:20.579 --> 00:26:23.982 align:start line:10% position:50% size:81% teams to bring that food to these villages, to bring food to 00:26:23.982 --> 00:26:25.384 align:start line:10% position:48% size:48% mothers like Marta. 00:26:25.384 --> 00:26:29.221 align:start line:10% position:44% size:78% So please, I'm asking you today to go to the phone, or get 00:26:29.221 --> 00:26:32.724 align:start line:10% position:50% size:70% online and give the very best gift that you can give. 00:26:32.724 --> 00:26:37.196 align:start line:10% position:50% size:56% Give the gift of food, give the gift of life. 00:26:37.196 --> 00:26:39.498 align:start line:10% position:50% size:70% Randy: You really can make a difference, and you can make 00:26:39.498 --> 00:26:41.733 align:start line:10% position:50% size:56% that difference today. 00:26:41.733 --> 00:26:43.068 align:start line:10% position:48% size:38% Please join us. 00:26:43.068 --> 00:26:46.205 align:start line:10% position:46% size:68% Go online, go to the phone, make the best gift you can. 00:26:46.205 --> 00:26:48.607 align:start line:10% position:47% size:63% What an opportunity, what a blessing to people that 00:26:48.607 --> 00:26:52.277 align:start line:10% position:50% size:41% desperately need to hear from us. 00:26:52.277 --> 00:26:54.847 align:start line:10% position:46% size:68% And don't forget, you can request Jennie Allen's book 00:26:54.847 --> 00:26:56.415 align:start line:10% position:50% size:45% today, "The Lie--" What is it? 00:26:56.415 --> 00:26:58.150 align:start line:10% position:50% size:45% "The Lie You Don't Know You Believe." 00:26:58.150 --> 00:26:59.518 align:start line:58% position:50% size:50% Thank you very much. 00:26:59.518 --> 00:27:00.853 align:start line:58% position:48% size:48% And there's a quiz. 00:27:00.853 --> 00:27:02.221 align:start line:53% position:48% size:48% Well, you mentioned a quiz, Jennie. 00:27:02.221 --> 00:27:03.555 align:start line:58% position:50% size:45% Is that available? 00:27:03.555 --> 00:27:04.923 align:start line:58% position:47% size:58% Where's that available? 00:27:04.923 --> 00:27:06.258 align:start line:58% position:47% size:58% Jennie: Yes, it's free. 00:27:06.258 --> 00:27:08.393 align:start line:53% position:50% size:75% It's jennieallen.com, J-E-N-N-I-E A-L-L-E-N dot com. 00:27:08.393 --> 00:27:09.728 align:start line:58% position:48% size:38% Randy: Perfect. 00:27:09.728 --> 00:27:11.063 align:start line:53% position:46% size:68% Blynda: Well, we have loved having you on the show. 00:27:11.063 --> 00:27:12.397 align:start line:53% position:48% size:48% Would you come back for a second show? 00:27:12.397 --> 00:27:14.733 align:start line:53% position:50% size:65% Jennie: I would love it. Blynda: Okay, let's do it. 00:27:14.733 --> 00:27:16.101 align:start line:58% position:50% size:65% Randy: Oh, that'll be fun. 00:27:16.101 --> 00:27:17.436 align:start line:53% position:48% size:43% You come back for another program. 00:27:17.436 --> 00:27:19.505 align:start line:53% position:50% size:65% You can catch them all at lifetoday.org, but we look 00:27:19.505 --> 00:27:21.206 align:start line:53% position:47% size:58% forward to you next time with Jennie Allen. 00:27:21.206 --> 00:27:22.841 align:start line:58% position:50% size:50% We'll see you again. 00:27:22.841 --> 00:27:32.851 align:start line:10% position:48% size:18% [music] 00:27:32.851 --> 00:27:42.861 align:start line:10% position:48% size:18% [music] 00:27:42.861 --> 00:27:48.901 align:start line:10% position:48% size:18% [music] 00:27:48.901 --> 00:27:52.738 align:start line:58% position:48% size:38% ♪ Oh, you can't hear me cry ♪ 00:27:52.738 --> 00:27:56.475 align:start line:63% position:47% size:63% ♪ See my dreams all die ♪ 00:27:56.475 --> 00:27:59.878 align:start line:58% position:50% size:45% ♪ From where you're standing ♪♪ 00:28:02.347 --> 00:28:04.950 align:start line:10% position:50% size:81% Don Colbert: But when you do all of these 12 numbers, I find the 00:28:04.950 --> 00:28:08.787 align:start line:10% position:45% size:73% majority of my patients, they live long, they live strong. 00:28:08.787 --> 00:28:10.923 align:start line:10% position:46% size:68% announcer: Dr. Don Colbert, next week. 00:28:12.558 --> 00:28:14.660 align:start line:10% position:44% size:78% announcer: "Life Today" is made possible by the supporters 00:28:14.660 --> 00:28:16.194 align:start line:10% position:44% size:78% of Life Outreach International. 00:28:16.194 --> 00:28:18.330 align:start line:10% position:50% size:65% Your gift will be used exclusively for the exempt 00:28:18.330 --> 00:28:19.665 align:start line:10% position:48% size:43% purposes of Life. 00:28:19.665 --> 00:28:22.100 align:start line:10% position:50% size:75% The ministry features specific outreaches as examples of the 00:28:22.100 --> 00:28:23.602 align:start line:10% position:50% size:50% programs it supports and conducts. 00:28:23.602 --> 00:28:25.737 align:start line:10% position:45% size:73% Gifts are considered to be without restriction as to use 00:28:25.737 --> 00:28:27.472 align:start line:10% position:50% size:61% unless explicitly stipulated by the donor. 00:28:27.472 --> 00:28:29.474 align:start line:10% position:48% size:48% The ministry is a member of the ECFA.